Post subject: [2021-11-19] Kiss "Destroyer (45th Anniv. Super Deluxe Edition)" 4CD/1BD box set incl. 5.1 mix by Steven Wilson (UMe)
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Pass. I already have the 2012 remaster.
And why do they keep beating on this release????? What about R & R Over? Love Gun? Alive? The first 3 albums? Those needs some TLC, maybe even a remix.
Post subject: [2021-11-19] Kiss "Destroyer (45th Anniv. Super Deluxe Edition)" 4CD/1BD box set incl. 5.1 mix by Steven Wilson (UMe)
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:00 pm
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Mark MN wrote:
And why do they keep beating on this release????? What about R & R Over? Love Gun? Alive? The first 3 albums? Those needs some TLC, maybe even a remix.
But...but...but this is a cross between Destroyer and any number of elaborate box sets!
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Post subject: [2021-11-19] Kiss "Destroyer (45th Anniv. Super Deluxe Edition)" 4CD/1BD box set incl. 5.1 mix by Steven Wilson (UMe)
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:39 pm
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Mark MN wrote:
Pass. I already have the 2012 remaster.
And why do they keep beating on this release????? What about R & R Over? Love Gun? Alive? The first 3 albums? Those needs some TLC, maybe even a remix.
The 2012 release was a stereo remix by Bob Ezrin, not a straight remaster.
Post subject: [2021-11-19] Kiss "Destroyer (45th Anniv. Super Deluxe Edition)" 4CD/1BD box set incl. 5.1 mix by Steven Wilson (UMe)
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Dr. Chris Evil wrote:
Mark MN wrote:
Pass. I already have the 2012 remaster.
And why do they keep beating on this release????? What about R & R Over? Love Gun? Alive? The first 3 albums? Those needs some TLC, maybe even a remix.
The 2012 release was a stereo remix by Bob Ezrin, not a straight remaster.
I stand corrected.
Is it just me or do others feel as I do that this particular album was subpar? I put R & R Over above this. Love Gun ranks, to me, as another cheesy album. Only 3 songs on that do anything for me.
Basically, I'm a fan of the first 3 and Alive. After that, thing began to get cheesy. I still put on Alive and am marveled at how damn good it is and how good they were live (with the original members of course).
Post subject: [2021-11-19] Kiss "Destroyer (45th Anniv. Super Deluxe Edition)" 4CD/1BD box set incl. 5.1 mix by Steven Wilson (UMe)
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If you don't want to read complaints about the price, just skip to the next post right now.
Looks like Gene Simmons got a bit envious about David Gilmour's pricing strategy. There are 4 CDs + 1 Blu-ray in this box. 5 optical disks. 200/5 = $40 per disc. Maybe, if one really pushes it, it could be argued that all the paper included is worth $50...which brings it down to $30 per optical disk which is still a rip-off when considering 4 of those disks are compact discs that really should be no more than $15 each.
Yes, welcome to Rip-Off City.
I'd go $100 on this....if I was in the right mood maybe $120. I think that's the upper end of my limit. Considering the retail, it looks like I won't be adding this one to my collection.
Post subject: [2021-11-19] Kiss "Destroyer (45th Anniv. Super Deluxe Edition)" 4CD/1BD box set incl. 5.1 mix by Steven Wilson (UMe)
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:12 pm
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Mark MN wrote:
Dr. Chris Evil wrote:
Mark MN wrote:
Pass. I already have the 2012 remaster.
And why do they keep beating on this release????? What about R & R Over? Love Gun? Alive? The first 3 albums? Those needs some TLC, maybe even a remix.
The 2012 release was a stereo remix by Bob Ezrin, not a straight remaster.
I stand corrected.
Is it just me or do others feel as I do that this particular album was subpar? I put R & R Over above this. Love Gun ranks, to me, as another cheesy album. Only 3 songs on that do anything for me.
Basically, I'm a fan of the first 3 and Alive. After that, thing began to get cheesy. I still put on Alive and am marveled at how damn good it is and how good they were live (with the original members of course).
In regards to the post you had prior to this, considering this is Kiss, it's pretty safe to bet they would throw out every release they think they could make money on. We have the Destroyer releases and the deluxe Love Gun from a few years ago, it's probably pretty safe to bet that there isn't much usable demos material before Alive considering where the band was at and the label they were on. As far as Rock n Roll Over, it is surprising they can't seem to scrounge up enough material for that one. They are probably ignoring everything after Alive II because it seems like they consider those first eight records (6 studio, 2 live) the heyday and don't think they would be able to cash in as much on the later stuff.
Personally I think Creatures of the Night would be the most interesting, just because they had so many different musicians coming in and out, there has to be a bunch of alternate guitar solos and such. That album didn't sell worth a crap when first released but is so highly regarded among the fans now that I think a deluxe of that one would be pretty interesting. The obvious deal killers would be that any live stuff included would probably be followed by a lawsuit from Vinnie Vincent (which Gene might actually like since he can't see Vincent as much of a threat anymore....and he's paying all those lawyers anyway so he might as well put them to work) not to mention all the performance royalties that would have to be paid out to different guitar players, etc.
As far as remasters....the original Polygram CD masters were a complete disaster and a complete butchering of a catalog. Those were just awful. It seems pretty clear that when they did the remasters, they really wanted to get them right and I think they did. In terms of all the old stuff, I feel really good about those remasters and don't think I need an upgrade. If anything, they should go back and remaster the last few albums they did as "full dynamic range" remasters....that stuff needs a lot more help than the old stuff does.
If I was to pick the one thing I really want Kiss to release, it would be Kissology Vol 4. I loved the first three of those.
And as far as the quality of Destroyer, I'd have to disagree. I'd rank it #1 in the Kiss catalog. Top Five- Destroyer Creatures of the Night Kiss Hotter Than Hell Revenge
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