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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 4:51 pm |
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Linda wrote: Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson and others have been removed from MLB's "permanently ineligible" list, and can now be voted into the Hall Of Fame: Quote: Commissioner Robert D. Manfred Jr. today issued a policy decision regarding the status of individuals who have passed away while on the permanently ineligible list. This issue has never been formally addressed by Major League Baseball, but an application filed by the family of Pete Rose has made it incumbent upon the Office of the Commissioner to reach a policy decision on this unprecedented issue in the modern era as Mr. Rose is the first person banned after the tenure of Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis to die while still on the ineligible list. Commissioner Manfred has concluded that MLB’s policy shall be that permanent ineligibility ends upon the passing of the disciplined individual. Linda being quicker than me. I need to work less, IMWAN more, I guess 
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 5:02 pm |
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Some people will shake their fist at Manfred, but I have to agree with this. Quote: Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game. Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve. Therefore, I have concluded that permanent ineligibility ends upon the passing of the disciplined individual.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 5:06 pm |
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Jason Gore wrote: The next time Pete's committee comes up, I expect the Veteran's committee will vote him in. This is an important distinction, the BBWA will not have a say in this. They think his name will come up in the December of 2026 Vetterans meeting.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 9:05 pm |
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Jason Gore wrote: I need to work less, IMWAN more, I guess  This is good lifestyle advice for everyWAN. 
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 9:18 pm |
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Jason Gore wrote: Now, the cynic in me thinks this is because of how pervasive and normalized sports gambling is becoming, and they're doing this to downplay the destructive nature of gambling on sports, but maybe that's just me. It's not just you. I agree with what you're saying. Gambling is generating a lot of interest in the sport. Mighty Manfred has always been about growing the game of baseball in every way he can, whether it fits tradition or not.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue May 13, 2025 11:10 pm |
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Pete Rose was a dick and one of my least favorite players of all time. But it's sure hard to make the argument that he should be banned from baseball for gambling...but never betting against his own team...while the current group of owners are now in bed with sportsbooks that take bets on MLB.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 12:01 am |
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JosephC wrote: Pete Rose was a dick and one of my least favorite players of all time. But it's sure hard to make the argument that he should be banned from baseball for gambling...but never betting against his own team...while the current group of owners are now in bed with sportsbooks that take bets on MLB. Not hard at all. His betting on his own team could influence his player usage in games before the games he bet on. It's baseball's most sacrosanct rule (or was). It's posted in every clubhouse. He knew the history of the game. He knew the rule. He knew the consequences. He ignored that because he thought he could get away with it, that he was too big to be banned. He was wrong. He fully earned his permanent - not lifetime - ban. He doesn't deserve to be in the Hall. And Manfred blew this one as badly as he did the case against the Astros, if not worse.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 6:11 am |
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TS Garp wrote: Jason Gore wrote: The next time Pete's committee comes up, I expect the Veteran's committee will vote him in. This is an important distinction, the BBWA will not have a say in this. They think his name will come up in the December of 2026 Vetterans meeting. MLB said last night on a crawl that it will be december 2027 when rose and jackson and the other black sox will be voted on by the classic committee (or something that sounds like that) as for rose himself, i was never a big fan, but you can't take away what he did on the field. i saw him in las vegas a few years ago signing autographs in the caesars forum shops for $150 a pop! he had a very very large man standing behind him. personally, i wouldn't give him $1.50 for his signtaure.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 9:08 am |
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alantig wrote: JosephC wrote: Pete Rose was a dick and one of my least favorite players of all time. But it's sure hard to make the argument that he should be banned from baseball for gambling...but never betting against his own team...while the current group of owners are now in bed with sportsbooks that take bets on MLB. Not hard at all. His betting on his own team could influence his player usage in games before the games he bet on. It's baseball's most sacrosanct rule (or was). It's posted in every clubhouse. He knew the history of the game. He knew the rule. He knew the consequences. He ignored that because he thought he could get away with it, that he was too big to be banned. He was wrong. He fully earned his permanent - not lifetime - ban. He doesn't deserve to be in the Hall. And Manfred blew this one as badly as he did the case against the Astros, if not worse. I completely disagree. There is no evidence, and MLB has never claimed, that Rose bet against his own team. The argument was always, "he was too close to the game." "He could have conspired with the opponent to affect the outcome of a game." So what is to prevent a sportsbook from calling an owner and saying they are seeing lopsided action on a game...is there no chance a meddling owner could call the manager and say, "you've been overworking this reliever lately, he should have tonight off," or "the star right fielder should get tonight off." They are business partners after all. IMO Rose should stay banned from baseball for his past actions. I also, 100% believe that MLB should not be partnered with sportsbooks and should not receive a single penny, even indirectly, from gambling of any nature. Baseball is making billions in revenue each season and continue to swindle countless tax dollars from the general public every year. They don't need the gambling money and shouldn't be involved in it. Hard for them to rake in millions from gambling, and then ban Rose for gambling when there is no evidence that he bet against his own team.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 9:23 am |
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I think that the Hall of Fame should focus on a person's baseball performance and assiduously avoid trying to act as a moral policeman. It's a slippery slope when other considerations are allowed to muddy the waters. Pete Rose was indeed a dick, but I suspect that one could say the same about a good share of players (or, indeed, people in general). There are almost certainly racists, sexists, fascists, drunkards, druggies, adulterers, child abusers, blasphemers, users of foul language, and even jaywalkers in the Hall. I'm not sure why gamblers deserve special opprobrium. Not to mention the fact that public morality changes over time, and something that was okay before can grow to be unacceptable, and vice versa.
Better to avoid the whole thing and evaluate baseball players on how they played baseball. If someone cheats at the game itself, sure, then his stats are not what they seemed. But immorality rarely gives someone an leg up in baseball, so it can safely be ignored. Maybe every plaque in the Hall should include a short synopsis of a player's life off of the field, so people who are less interested in the game itself can rank players based on a different metric.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 10:24 am |
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JosephC wrote: I completely disagree. There is no evidence, and MLB has never claimed, that Rose bet against his own team. The argument was always, "he was too close to the game." "He could have conspired with the opponent to affect the outcome of a game." I think in the HBO documentary, there were suggestions that Rose did bet against his team, but I don't remember that for sure. But for me, even if proven, that's just another layer. He doesn't have to bet against his team to have his betting influence his player usage. Quite frankly, betting against his team would be a surprise given how much of a competitor he was. But betting on his team at all raises questions about his player usage in games around those that he did bet on. Spiderboy wrote: I think that the Hall of Fame should focus on a person's baseball performance and assiduously avoid trying to act as a moral policeman. It's a slippery slope when other considerations are allowed to muddy the waters. Pete Rose was indeed a dick, but I suspect that one could say the same about a good share of players (or, indeed, people in general). There are almost certainly racists, sexists, fascists, drunkards, druggies, adulterers, child abusers, blasphemers, users of foul language, and even jaywalkers in the Hall. I'm not sure why gamblers deserve special opprobrium. Not to mention the fact that public morality changes over time, and something that was okay before can grow to be unacceptable, and vice versa.
Better to avoid the whole thing and evaluate baseball players on how they played baseball. If someone cheats at the game itself, sure, then his stats are not what they seemed. But immorality rarely gives someone a leg up in baseball, so it can safely be ignored. Maybe every plaque in the Hall should include a short synopsis of a player's life off of the field, so people who are less interested in the game itself can rank players based on a different metric. Except, as a local sportswriter repeatedly points out, the Hall does have a character clause in its qualifications. If they don't want character considered, they can remove that clause at any time they want. Evolving mores over time can also make that a bit tricky - do you remove Cap Anson because he was a racist? - but I don't know if that's ever given serious consideration. My guess is it would take something major to get a player removed. O.J. Simpson wasn't removed from the football hall. The only person (or only prominent person) I can remember being removed from a hall was Alan Eagleson from the hockey hall, and even that only happened after a group of players like Bobby Orr threatened to pull out of the hall if Eagleson remained. (Eagleson used his position in Hockey Canada and as a player agent to take financial advantage of a lot of players.) I agree that Rose's on-field accomplishments are hall-worthy. It's the other stuff that disqualifies him.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 3:39 pm |
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alantig wrote: Except, as a local sportswriter repeatedly points out, the Hall does have a character clause in its qualifications. If they don't want character considered, they can remove that clause at any time they want. Absolutely true, and my point was only that the clause creates more problems than it solves, so that its removal can't come too soon.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 12:57 pm |
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Phillies are scorching hot and Schwarber hit his 16th HR and career #300 to the moon, officially 466 feet.
Alvarado is a jackhole who is suspended 80 games and the playoffs for “accidentally” taking steroids.
OK, moron.
Maybe he can run the bases with Soto who, over the last week has shown quite the hustle on the bases for $750 million..
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 2:08 pm |
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Invisible Pedestrian wrote: Alvarado is a jackhole who is suspended 80 games and the playoffs for “accidentally” taking steroids.
OK, moron. He should have hired Ryan Braun's lawyers.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 7:42 pm |
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Phillies have won 8 straight.
Staff ERA from the starters is a mind-blowing 1.28 in that timeframe.
Wheeler has pitched 22 2/3 scoreless innings in a row.
Trea Turner has been on fire, and the whole team is just doing what they’re supposed to be doing and doing it well.
The bullpen remains shaky, especially with that clown Alvarado suspended.
What a dingus.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 1:01 am |
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Quote: Manfred to Propose ABS System for 2026 MLB Season
The automated ball-strike system (ABS) could be officially headed to Major League games next season. Commissioner of MLB, Rob Manfred on Wednesday, said he plans to introduce a proposal to MLB’s competition committee that includes bringing the ABS system to MLB in 2026.
The ABS system was used at 13 spring training sites in 2025, which included 19 teams, and was employed in approximately 60 percent of spring training games this past spring. Teams started with two challenges each and lost a challenge every time they were not overturned. If the call they challenged was overturned, they retained their challenge.
The pitching teams saw a 54.4 percent overturn rate, while the club hitting was overturned on just 50 percent of calls, and catchers were the most successful at 56 percent of calls overturned. Pitchers’ challengers were overturned on just 41 percent of calls.
With a full spring training use of the ABS in the books and reviewed by players and officials within the MLB, commissioner Manfred will now propose to implement the system into games officially in 2026.
Should the system be approved for use, Manfred said human umpires will still make the majority of ball-strike calls themselves as they did in spring training and that the ABS system would be used just as it was in spring, with teams starting each game with two challenges they could use to challenge calls.
“I do think we’re going to pursue the possibility of changing that process, and we’ll see what comes at the end of that,” said Manfred. He noted that teams appear to be overall positive about ABS and that implementing it could diffuse players, coaches, etc. sending him emails to complain about balls, strikes, and umpires’ calls.
Kevin Slowey, the MLBPA managing director, noted that as they always have in the past, “players will review any proposed rule changes and provide their feedback and on-field experiences through the competition committee.”
Manfred noted that his biggest concern is implementing the system in a way the players will accept. The biggest note on the ABS system is that it is not a human making the calls, thus tightening or widening the strike zone on certain pitch counts, which will likely be different from that of a human umpire’s strike zone.
In years past and throughout history, it has not been uncommon for the league and the players’ association to disagree on rules or policy changes, and we have also seen lockouts and delayed seasons as a result of disagreements between the committees. With that, Manfred is making sure this is a completely transparent process that everyone agrees upon the implementation of before proceeding forward.
“I want them [the players] to feel like we respected the committee process and that there was a full airing of concerns about the system, and an attempt to address those concerns before we go forward,” said Manfred.
Along with the implementation of the ABS system, MLB is also testing a check-swing review system in the minor leagues this season. It likely won’t make its way to spring training games next year, as Manfred wants the focus to be on the ABS system and getting used to that. However, the ABS system was first used in the minor leagues, so it is likely that should that continue to go well in the minor leagues, it could be coming to spring training in the years to come, as the ABS system did.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 6:04 pm |
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 After Senga got injured (thanks Pete) the Mets have been in a tailspin as it caused a crack in the starting staff along with Megill going down and then Canning and Manaea has a bone spur. It’s been smoke and mirrors this season and at the moment the mirror cracked. So let’s reminisce about the old days and Shea Stadium from 1967!
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 8:26 pm |
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 11:22 pm |
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Jays have had a nice couple of days - come back win after they'd gotten Rodon out of the game yesterday, and then Springer had himself a 7 RBI day to beat the Yankees and Max Fried. So earning at least a split while facing those two pitchers has got to give them a huge amount of confidence going forward. Now as long as they don't exhaust the 3 old men at the top of the rotation...
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 6:45 am |
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toronto is one game out of first place!
rays - 1 1/2
red sox - 4 1/2
oh my my what if, just what if the yankees get bounced out of the playoffs??????
day-oh!
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 10:07 am |
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Renny wrote: toronto is one game out of first place!
rays - 1 1/2
red sox - 4 1/2
oh my my what if, just what if the yankees get bounced out of the playoffs??????
day-oh! Toronto now technically in first place in the AL East after another wild one last night. Up 8-0, tied at 9, and then winning 11-9. I wasn't paying much attention when it went from 8-0 to 8-6, but suffice to say the wheels came off a little bit. Also, congratulations to Clayton Kershaw on his 3,000th strike out. only 20 men in history have reached it, and of them, only 2 others (W. Johnson, B. Gibson) did it with one team. Which surprised me a little bit. When he, Mad Max Scherzer, and Justin Verlander finally call it a day, it's going to be the end of an era.
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Post subject: Baseball chatter 2025 Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 11:34 am |
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The Yankees do this every year like a clock, have a mid season swoon and then here comes the late July deadline, they reload and march into October. Way way too early to suddenly think they will miss the playoffs. A series in early July does not make a season.
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