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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:28 pm |
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:57 pm |
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 9:50 am |
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I know he was DC's #2 superhero, but was he successful enough in the mainstream to warrant the expense of a Fleischer animated short? I always got the feeling that the 1966 Batman show is what made him a real household name among the general public. Kinda like the RDJ movie did with Iron Man -- he was always a name brand character among readers, but I guarantee my wife, parents, etc. never heard of Tony Stark before that film.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 10:46 am |
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:12 am |
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You can tell that the crude art the early stories consisted largely of swipes from poses he had seen somewhere else. That's apparently the stage his art skill development was at in those days. Siegel and Schuster were fanboys trying to go pro, just like generations of hopefuls who would follow.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:22 am |
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Yeah, I've noticed that there wasn't as much hate for swipes back then. Even legends like Jack Kirby and Frank Frazetta swiped in the earlier parts of their careers.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 12:00 pm |
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:55 pm |
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From Michael Uslan. Quote: Part 10. First trades ad for the upcoming Max Fleischer Superman color cartoons, to be followed by Max Fleischer black and white Batman cartoons, the latter of which never came to be due to the interference of a little thing called World War 2! I have the letter by Fleischer detailing the Batman deal plus the budget for the first Batman cartoon that never was. 
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 9:37 am |
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These George Reeves custom figures are amazing. Too rich for my blood, but wow, they are impressive. Really disappointed that McFarlane never got around to a George Reeves Superman. I wonder if it's because there's a perceived lack of interest or if the estate just won't play ball? I understand he never got to make Yvonne Craig and Neil Hamilton accurate figures for the Batman 66 line because their estates didn't want to grant permission for their likenesses.   
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:19 pm |
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This is interesting -- a merging of the faces of the major Superman actors up to that time (sadly, Gerard Christopher always gets left out). That's a pretty good Superman face. 
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:30 pm |
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Still jumps out at me how perfect Christoper Reeve is.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:34 pm |
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Yeah, he's great. I ended up looking that up to see if anyone ever merged Reeves and Reeve. I randomly found this Superman image online and thought the face was really great, combining a lot of the elements of both guys but adding in some of that rugged pulp hero look.  
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 4:19 pm |
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Christ, I think I'd rather watch Tim Burton's. Quote: J.J. Abrams' Superman: Flyby was an origin story that included Krypton besieged by a civil war between Jor-El and his corrupt brother, Kata-Zor. Before Kata-Zor sentences Jor-El to prison, Kal-El is launched to Earth to fulfill a prophecy. Adopted by Jonathan and Martha Kent, he forms a romance with Lois Lane in the Daily Planet. However, Lois is more concerned with exposing Lex Luthor, written as a government agent obsessed with UFO phenomena. Clark reveals himself to the world as Superman, bringing Kata-Zor’s son, Ty-Zor, and three other Kryptonians to Earth. Superman is defeated and killed, and visits Jor-El (who committed suicide on Krypton while in prison) in Kryptonian heaven. Resurrected, he returns to Earth and defeats the four Kryptonians, while the script ends with Superman off to Krypton, leaving a cliffhanger for a sequel.  https://superman.fandom.com/wiki/Superman:_Flyby
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:12 pm |
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I've read it. The more traditional parts ... i.e. this sequence ... Quote: Adopted by Jonathan and Martha Kent, he forms a romance with Lois Lane in the Daily Planet. However, Lois is more concerned with exposing Lex Luthor, written as a government agent obsessed with UFO phenomena. Clark reveals himself to the world as Superman, ... is pretty well written, I think. But yeah, all the deviations are nonsensical and for the worse. That said, it was a first draft, and it's possible that someone with some sense would have had the goofy parts rewritten. (Or maybe not. When Warner Brothers was considering making this movie -- roughly around the time of Season 4 of "Smallville" -- DC instructed creators Gough and Millar to stop making so many references on the show to Krypton having exploded. They said that Krypton wasn't going to explode in the new movie, so they wanted things to match. So Gough and Millar found themselves in the ridiculous position of having to say to DC freakin' Comics ..."No, we're going to stay true to YOUR mythology, even though you don't want us to.")
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 3:20 pm |
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As always, Smallville stands as the last line of defense for the honor and legacy of Superman.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:03 pm |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: As always, Smallville stands as the last line of defense for the honor and legacy of Superman. When Hanzo's right, he's right, and this time he is REALLY right.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 8:57 am |
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Ocean Doot wrote: Hanzo the Razor wrote: As always, the 1966 "It's a Bird... It's a Plane... It's Superman" musical stands as the last line of defense for the honor and legacy of Superman. When Hanzo's right, he's right, and this time he is REALLY right. Or to put it another way... ♫ When Hanzo's right, he's right And this time he's REALLY right When there's no tights or flights Superman reaches new heights
If you want a hero who's bright Tom Welling is your white knight He's making my pants extra tight 'Cause Smalliville is out of sight ♪ AMEN BRO
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 10:20 am |
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/179950140X/?tag=imwan-20I just read Tom King’s SUPERMAN: UP IN THE SKY last night, and I guess this one can sit next to SUPERMAN FOR ALL SEASONS as a Superman story people hold up as great but feels fairly pedestrian to me. It's not terrible or anything; I actually think it probably works well enough as an introduction to Superman comics in general (which I believe was intended as it was first published in the Walmart DC anthology experiment), but I'm not sure why it’s being held up as great. The basic premise is simple and appealing – a little girl was abducted by aliens, and Superman goes on a space odyssey to tackle the nigh-impossible task of finding her in the vastness of the galaxy. The story was written in shorter chapters as part of a larger anthology, so King approaches it as a series of short vignettes or episodic adventures within the greater plot, much like the basic outline of Greek quest adventures like Jason & the Argonauts and The Odyssey. I love this sort of thing, probably my favorite adventure story structure, so that all works for me. It's just that King uses each chapter of the story to beat you over the head with "Superman cares about everyone, Superman will always do what's right, Superman will never give up," and the entire time, I feel like – “Yeah, I know.” Not only is all that pretty standard Superman stuff, it’s all pretty standard superhero stuff; most of the classic superheroes check these boxes as well, so I don’t really see the need or the appeal of a long-form story that emphasizes those points over and over again to the point where it begins to feel more tedious than inspiring. I could sorta get behind it if the chapters were particularly clever, intriguing, or imaginative – but they mostly aren’t. Instead, the stories more often feel sanctimonious and contrived, such as [MILD SPOILERS] Superman boxing an alien (complete with gloves and corner men) to get information, Superman uploading data to his mind that fried some intergalactic supercomputer, Darkseid gleefully compromising Superman’s ethical beliefs for no material gain (I guess you need to twirl your mustache to something), etc. [END SPOILERS] The point of all these stories ends up being the same – Superman doing superhero stuff and everyone reacting like, “My God, how can one man be so pure / good / selfless / heroic / etc.? Why, his beautiful soul has shattered the paradigm in which I view the world!” or “How is this possible? No one could have done this, it defies any semblance of logic!” and someone replying, “Of course. He’s Superman™.” I guess this is just a personal taste thing, but this is the sort of thing that I prefer be communicated in subtext – characters' actions and the story’s events reveal the themes and messages within the story. Alan Moore’s FOR THE MAN WHO HAS EVERYTHING had a pretty overt message of “what you think you want might not actually make you happy” and “even if your life went another way, you would still have problems.” But Moore never has characters actually say those things. It feels like the modern approach would be to have some character give a speech at the end (or during) that feels like the closing page of an essay on the topic. It just feels unnatural, preachy, and undercuts any momentum or genuine emotional resonance the story may have built up. [Spoilers for Superman 2025] In the new James Gunn Superman movie, Superman expresses regret that the JLA killed the kaiju. He says to Guy Gardner, “I was hoping we could capture it and… put it in an intergalactic zoo or something. Or at least euthanize it humanely.” To which Guy responds – “Wuss.” I feel like if the same moment happened in a comic book today, Guy would have said, “Why do you care! He’s just a stupid animal, how can you let that bother you?” And Superman would have replied with something like, “I never knew my parents. They died when Krypton exploded. Along with every other living being on that planet. From the planet’s rulers to the smallest bug, millions of unique species – eradicated in an instant. I learned then that you can never count on tomorrow and that every day we’re alive is a gift. Who am I to take that gift from any living creature? Life is short. Life is fleeting. And you can never take life for granted. All life matters. And that’s something I will never stop fighting for.” Or something equally tedious and self-righteous. [End Spoilers] As for the art – Andy Kubert is certainly talented, but his work has never been to my taste. I don’t find him to be a good fit on Superman especially. While my feelings on the story would likely remain the same, an artist more suited to Superman like Evan Shaner, Frank Quitely, Nick Bradshaw, Dan Mora, etc. would probably be more to my taste. That said, it’s purely personal taste – Kubert does very good work here, and the story is told clearly, dynamically, and dramatically. Anyway, I genuinely am glad people have a comic they like, especially a Superman comic – anything that makes someone a Superman fan is a-okay with me -- but I just don't get the hype. It's fine. A little drawn out, but fine. I don’t get why it’s being put up there with Alan Moore’s and Grant Morrison’s Superman work. But I guess that’s why Baskin Robbins makes 31 flavors.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 2:33 pm |
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I am somewhat enjoying the monthly title Superman Unlimited, by Dan Slott.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 7:12 pm |
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Hanzo the Razor wrote: Did anyone read the second SUPERMAN 78 mini-series? Any good? Art looks pretty solid, it's got some Chris Sprouse vibes. I paged through it. Looked boring, didn't buy it.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 12:16 am |
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I got it and it was serviceable enough but definitely skippable.
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Post subject: The Superman Appreciation Thread Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 7:09 am |
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Ocean Doot wrote: Hanzo the Razor wrote: Did anyone read the second SUPERMAN 78 mini-series? Any good? Art looks pretty solid, it's got some Chris Sprouse vibes. I paged through it. Looked boring, didn't buy it. Samesies
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